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The Dark and Darker Situation Just Got Worse...Again

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ArcAngel2023/04/02(日) 08:39
Either way what is happening, I don’t care. It’s not mandatory it’s up to the person. I’ll give money to get an answer and full case then this case then being bled dry. I do think this was just desperation from someone due to legal fees. I’d choose someone that doesn’t force people to do P2W games and gave us a game with no cost even if it was potentially stolen. Everyone says well it will be this and this. Well if they don’t have funds rarher then the answer will never come. Thanks for the info but I respectfully disagree with anything from Nexon, supposedly testimonies, most of ironmace comments unless proven with other material and such unless there’s a official document from the court.

Thanks for the info
YoshioHaruki2023/04/02(日) 08:33
I don't think people should side with Iron Mace if they're proven to be on the wrong side of the law but I don't think anyone should side with or openly support Nexon regardless. For all the anti-consumer BS they've been shoving down people's throats for the entirety of their existence, they should be capable of fighting their own legal battles without any form of outside help. Nexon is still Nexon and they do not need nor deserve sympathy from consumers and/or people in general (e.g. former or active employees) who they exploit or take advantage of.
Tyler2023/04/02(日) 07:47
Thanks for the coverage, always love the stuff you do on this channel
It's Kilo2023/04/02(日) 07:46
Another day, another move that makes Ironmace look more unprofessional
Fattybish2023/04/02(日) 07:09
i appreciate you covering this. this game was teh game i was most exciteed about in ever
Loveless2023/04/02(日) 06:32
I’ll be honest. I fail to see how people giving their money to help a studio that allegedly committed theft is a good thing. On a higher level, people breaking the law and asking other parties for help when the time comes to face the consequences is not a good thing. Of course, it’s different if the trial is obviously BS, but in that case we kind of know it isn’t, and that there’s a good chance they did stole a whole game’s idea and concepts. It’s like I’m stealing from a shop, get caught and fined, but then ask my friend that have nothing to do with anything to pay the fine for me, because he likes me. Total nonsense.
squorsh2023/04/02(日) 06:26
So the real question now is which big company is going to make the replacement game for dark and darker that everybody wants.
Eepis2023/04/02(日) 05:30
there is no bad publicity.. nexon may look bad end of this, but its pretty effective way to put your name all over the places.
Cunning Death2023/04/02(日) 05:19
Hey I love these Dark & Darker videos pls continue to cover it.
Endo Roboto2023/04/02(日) 04:48
More proof that quick reactions with no context can see people easily apply any bias they may have. Always best to absorb as much information as possible and only come to a conclusion when enough evidence allows that to be.
Halfrican Jones2023/04/02(日) 04:31
How is there more about this????
YB2023/04/02(日) 04:11
To you monkeys wanting to get sucked by Ironmace. This is simple, just look at the actually "Information" given to you and not the opinions or statement that was not confirmed.

Here is an actual events that happened, taking out any biased claims and statements

1. This director had a private server running at his house when he was not to and got fired at a company which is almost impossible with Korean labor union.
2. They penalized this director for bribing his teammates to go out of Nexon with him
3. The playing videos and screenshots of P3 project and DnD are very similar.
4. Ironmace is ignoring Korean users, never making Korean announcements or statements, but let out English announcements and statements to Western users to believe in them.

On top of these facts, start completing the timelines and puzzles with the statements that are being made by both sides. Something is not going to fit in to these facts.
If this is hard, I dont know what to tell you..
이재동2023/04/02(日) 03:44
this is important to know for those who want to follow the case, so thank you for reporting.
Christian Bittner2023/04/02(日) 03:34
One could claim this drama gets dark and darker
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:21
I AM UNABLE TO GOOGLE FOR 10 SECOND SO I BELIEVE THE ONLY SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE TWO GAMES IS THAT THEY ARE SET IN MEDIEVAL TIMES. NEXON IS A BAD COMPANY THEREFORE THIS MUST BE TRUE AND EVERY PROGRAMMER AND ARTIST WHO WORKS THERE MUST BE A BAD PERSON WHO CANNOT MAKE ANYTHING GOOD AND DESERVES TO STARVE.
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:01
IronMace is a joke. They tried to clone a commercial product which they had inside information on and hoped no one would notice if they remade a couple of the assets. It didn't work, but morons of the internet only see "BIG COMPANY BAD" and so keep supporting a bunch of scam artists.
YB2023/04/02(日) 02:29
Hey man, I do not know if these Korean friends sent you or not but these are some GIFs and screen shots of P3 and Dark and Darker comparisons that Nexon revealed I think. I think that will really help some monkeys realize that Ironmace may not be so innocent.
Secondly, please know that Ironmace is literally NOT RESPONDING or making their statements in Korean. They are intentionally ignoring Korean public opinions but putting their most efforts talking to English users because Western public opinions favors them and do not know much about what is going on. If they are really innocent, why do they not even try to persuade the Korean public as well?
Saketh2023/04/02(日) 02:25
ofc they made money on go fund me, coz most ppl are brainwashed to think "copro bad, small guy ALWAYS good"
debish vebish wish2023/04/02(日) 02:04
I dont know who is right and who is wrong but I am very certain that Nexon will make sure they will win at all cost and since Nexon is a bigger company in Korea with more money they will definitely win
meme lord v22023/04/02(日) 01:56
Kira has got to be the whiniest dude I’ve seen on yt bro
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:42
Ironic really.
Mr Cool2023/04/02(日) 01:52
I post your video in dark and darker and everyone said you fake news but you look at both sides and aren’t a suck up to one side
YB2023/04/02(日) 03:53
Hey, let those idiots get their money sucked by the scamming suckers. You did your part
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:45
If I had a dolar for how many times the uninformed copium addicts known as fans disagreed with me and said I was stupid, uninformed, paid opposition or some other reductive ad hominem, I'd be a millionaire. Doesn't change reality and anyone who isn't just huffing that copium wil engage with the reality of my content and know its based on well researched opinions and facts they simply don't want to hear because the truth is too hard to accept.
P R2023/04/02(日) 01:42
I know it's not your hottest content, but please do keep up with this, it's incredibly interesting. I have more interest in this situation than in the game itself, honestly. Thanks for your work, bud!
Zilsys Newdawn2023/04/02(日) 01:38
ight
solomani2023/04/02(日) 01:24
I find this fascinating 🧐
NyxTheNerd 2023/04/02(日) 01:22
I suppose you can say that the situation is.. getting darker. In all seriousness, this is such bs. So sad to see.
Shinzo2023/04/02(日) 01:22
These guys are ruining their reputation in the industry
Bunni Pop2023/04/02(日) 12:44
I want to thank you and the people helping to translate articles from Korean to english. It's beyond helpful to get a better perspective of what's being talked about on the ground in Korea that we don't typically get over here in the states. After your last video breaking down extensively what is happening surrounding Mr. A, Nexon, the devs on either side and the game. Getting more insight as to what information the Korean gaming population has access too has been an enormous help and made the situation a lot less confusing.

I also really appreciate everyone involved being so understanding. The reason a lot of the people who initially were up in arms had more than likely to do with our media being misinformed and not having connections to on the ground coverage. There are probably people who are still feeling very much so one side vs the other just because they want to play the game which I don't fault them. But I think (hope) there are a lot more people who are willing to change course or at least ease up on their hard-lines in light of new information.

I've been seeing a few small outlets give more in-depth coverage that includes a lot of the missing Korean perspective lately too, which doubly helps.
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:46
My pleasure
Supreme Eggplant Sage2023/04/02(日) 12:42
Can’t wait for the sequel: Darker and Darkerest
Don Immortal2023/04/02(日) 12:42
Hey~ if they are gonna lose the lawsuit anyway then might as well milk their blind fans for extra cash.
Devin McWhorter2023/04/02(日) 12:08
Yeah but this is completely false. The devs account got hacked and they can’t even verify it’s him. The go fund me has been reported. Maybe you should give these developments a few hours to roll before you make a video about this sht
YB2023/04/02(日) 03:56
Are you freakin idiot or living a day behind? They themselves verified that it was legit and said they will do funding later on not just at the moment. Please if you have fingers and eyes go and check what is being said before you post idiotic comments. Also if that still does not change your mind about Ironmace, you might as well take your brain out because it is useless.
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:47
Man, I can't imagine walking through life this ignorant and / or stupid. Holy shit.
ZoneAnomaly2023/04/01(土) 11:51
There was a time when I denied the truth and said "Ironmace good, big company bad". Your videos have been pivotal in changing my perspective. Its crazy how a seemingly innocent "passion project" has such an interesting story behind it.
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:48
You're a mile ahead of most the fans, then dude. Most of them are still discrediting me and saying I'm a stupid liar spreading fake news. Takes a lot more to take in information and change your opinion so kudos
CocoMura2023/04/01(土) 11:50
Homie broke ranks and went ahead to get the help they needed. Saying it's mental is unkind, not mental, just caving to pressure. Human's are like that. It's clear that they have alot to lose.
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:49
Didn't get the help needed. Literally, according to their own account of things, they got less as they had "no money" and half the team size. Lmao. You can't spin a good story in the face of fact brother.
Chris2023/04/01(土) 11:41
Please keep coming with these videos, the information is huge for us not up-to-date on the Korean stuff.
bami22023/04/01(土) 11:28
7:05 third option: it was the team member who made the gofundme but didn't get approval to post it.
K3312023/04/01(土) 11:21
What I find the most astonishing is eventhough IM openly admitted that their executive willingly and repeately violated Nexon security protocols and was dismissed.
In KR this was the most devastating news that completely turned the tables and made them loose all creditability instantly. I mean its considered a legal suicide.
Yet, this is somehow completely overlooked and considered not relevant in the west.
Just mind blowing.
woojinee2023/04/02(日) 02:22
Because they somehow believe the executive never ever touched any files stolen from Nexon. Or it's okay to steal from the big greedy corpo everyone hates.
Sarah Chan-Reeves2023/04/01(土) 11:21
For context, this is the same as working on a phone at Apple, they cancel the phone, then that seg grp leave Apple & make the phone the same as it had been designed at Apple 😬
Marcus Smith2023/04/01(土) 11:18
Kira, I really enjoy your content. Thank you.
Singledad2023/04/01(土) 11:13
Keep up the Dark and Darker coverage. The only subject you post about that I skip and have lost all interest in is the "Crypto Bro" crap.
Sven2023/04/01(土) 11:18
It would be an interesting plot twist if now Dark and Darker will turn into some Crypto Bro scam though
Jeanne Feisont2023/04/01(土) 11:12
Kira is honestly paid off by Nexon at this point it seems. Unsure what his endgoal is, because it isn’t the “facts.”
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:50
Source?
Pixel Cataklysm2023/04/01(土) 11:11
Maaan been watching you for months not to be subscribe, sorry man 😐
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:50
All good, subs are meaningless to me, views are what matter
Bulborb12023/04/01(土) 11:07
All this PR
Negetive Nancy2023/04/01(土) 10:55
They set up a go fund me... Lolololololololololol
People are idiots...Thanx for the comedy..
CHROW862023/04/01(土) 10:51
I´m the Fan from Germany =)
WethereX2023/04/01(土) 10:51
keep being the truth bringer for what needs to be said. The loyalists with always watch what needs to be watched. Love your content Kira! stay safe and stay awesome!
merumeru2023/04/01(土) 10:49
Please keep up with this saga. I do not really care about this whole affair, but I love your quick takes on all of this.
Klas GG2023/04/01(土) 10:44
L take. Do some research beyond reddit or equiv. Training lawyers with game development degrees? Is this a joke?
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:51
I'm sure of the two of us you've for sure done more research. Ironic really.
Victimiser90002023/04/01(土) 10:28
I don't think there's neccessarily an inconsistency between, "this was planned to be used later if neccessary" and, "I've set up this fund". There have probably (and it seems definitely) been discussions within Ironmace relating to setting up some crowdfunding when (not if) they start to bleed out, but that doesn't mean they would already have had the message drafted to be posted; what was planned to be used later was the option, not the exact post verbatim. It actually makes sense that a desperate employee would have to set the fund up themselves if they're "jumping the gun", and it also makes sense for members of their team to be feeling desperate.
DJ FunkyFro2023/04/01(土) 10:16
Don't think you care Kira but, thank you. I really appreciate the coverage you're providing on this whole mess.
Kaotic-.-2023/04/01(土) 10:14
Ironmace is so full of bs lol. They know exactly what they did. I mean why would they say in their first response that the owners made it clear they had to play by the books if they wearnt intentionally tryin to steal the idea.
Rhys van der Waerden2023/04/02(日) 12:18
If they were 100% sure that they were not in the clear then why bother starting the project at all? They were careful because they believed they could pull it off.
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:18
@Rhys van der Waerden Because they are scammers. They thought they could steal and get away with it.
Midi Music Forever2023/04/01(土) 10:11
Ironmace just look more and more sus
Tathan2023/04/01(土) 10:07
they should ask Nexon how much to just be allowed to continue making the game if its a reasonable amount gofundme that
Nitwit's World2023/04/01(土) 10:05
Man we should make a game called Light and Lighter so no company can copyright it and we can basically make our own game without Koreans suing us
Jacob Simard2023/04/01(土) 09:51
It's almost like patents disproportionately benefit the rich....
Orlan Zapata2023/04/02(日) 01:32
Hi Jacob.



According to the 18 U.S. Code 1839, the term "trade secret" means all forms and types of financial, business, scientific, technical, economic, or engineering information, including patterns, plans, compilations, program devices, formulas, designs, prototypes, methods, techniques, processes, procedures, programs, or codes, whether tangible or intangible, and whether or how stored, compiled, or memorialized physically, electronically, graphically, photographically, or in writing if—



A. the owner thereof has taken reasonable measures to keep such information secret; and

B. the information derives independent economic value, actual or potential, from not being generally known to, and not being readily ascertainable through proper means by, another person who can obtain economic value from the disclosure or use of the information;



Both A and B conditions are potentially relevant in the context given.



You're welcome!
Jacob Simard2023/04/02(日) 01:44
@Orlan Zapata right, so the trade secrets they would supposedly be taking would entail a whole genre, being vague (if it was more specific - such as the Bleak Faith/ Elden Ring fiasco - they would have mentioned specifics).
Thank you, I think listing all of the parts covered within the term kind of proves my point.
(Also, as I wrote above, I'm pretty sure the former employee had gotten permission to work on his project on Nexon computers by a superior?)
Orlan Zapata2023/04/02(日) 02:40
​@Jacob Simard I don't understand what Nexon computer means, but he did keep the files on his private server without permission.



I'm saying "trade secret" is not a vague concept that one can simply learn through work experience, but rather a well-defined category of intellectual property.

It is a legal term that refers to any confidential information, including both tangible and intangible assets, which the owner seeks to protect from disclosure or unauthorized use.



Nexon is showing in their complaint that they have taken reasonable measures to maintain confidentiality of these source codes, art resources, and build files by

"Nexon's data protection agreement, data protection policy, security guidelines, and explicit verbal instruction that prohibited Nexon employees from disclosing confidential company information and Nexon's trade secrets to third parties even after leaving Nexon, or using without authorization Nexon's confidential information and trade secrets for any purpose other than assigned work for Nexon."



In other words, it looks like Ironmace is pretty doomed.
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:17
@Jacob Simard As far as you can tell they're "just talking a genre". But if you think about it, that is no grounds to sue. Actually the are talking about, identical selection of assets used in the game, identical character roster, identical character design, identical dungeon environment, identical FPS/RPG mechanics, identical torch lighting mechanics . They game was stolen pure and simple. All this "LOL THEY ARE SUING ANY GAME WITH A SWORD" is smooth brain comment section garbage.
Jacob Simard2023/04/02(日) 03:32
@James Huggett ok at least my brain smoother than your tightass defending rich assholes trying to destroy small developers. I don't think there's enough info to back up your claim, and ironmace has denied it. (It shouldn't be too hard to believe ironmace, since the same thing with unreal engine store just happened to bleak faith/ elden ring.)
People seem to think imagining a world without patents or this type of exclusive ownership over content is scary. But in reality games already take what they can and make it their own. And as far as patents, they have been a tool for rich people to prevent technological development for many years. If people were free to use the assets they want in a game, then games would inherently be more about the content. Plain and simple
Yuras Drake2023/04/01(土) 09:46
I appreciate your dives into this. I try to keep it a rule to not support games funded by tencent. I had no idea that Iron mace was being offered money by them, and probably would have gladly taken it. We'll see how things pan out. It definitely puts me on the fence if it's something I would trust to put money into if they don't collapse from this.
Peter Pan2023/04/01(土) 09:46
It is simple: if Ironmace would feel confident, they would put in a counter-complaint and sue Nex for the harrasment. The fact they don't "counterattack" just says enough.
🇷🇺 Hunter Biden's Crackpipe2023/04/01(土) 09:37
Free Ironmace
Sven2023/04/01(土) 09:39
They aren't behind bars (yet) though
Sven2023/04/01(土) 09:36
The thing that kinda bugs me about this GoFundMe campaign is that usually companies have legal assistance insurance just for cases like this. I used to do projects as a freelance software developer in the US and there it was mandatory to have insurance for that to cover at least a million USD. I am not sure why a company that sits at the table of big investors like Tencent and releases games on Steam (US jurisdiction) wouldn't have this kind of insurance. The fees for an insurance like that aren't very high.
EnZoLand2023/04/01(土) 09:30
I was active while it was live, quick a drama fest, I can understand their point of view, being a small studio they can't afford the lawyers in the long run and I do feel they would gave in, but they feel they have a case so I can understand they want to fight it. It's all down to the decision maker in the end and they have to pay to get to that.
ArkStrike2023/04/01(土) 09:24
I know my opinion of "I don't care if IM is in the wrong and Nexon has every right to defend itselt, I hope they lose" should not be a popular opinion but the fact that it is speaks leagues about Nexon
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:13
It speaks leagues about morons on the internet. Even if some of the bosses at Nexon are greedy, 99% of the employees are just artists and programmers who want to make games people enjoy and get paid to feed their families at the end of the day,
Mat Broomfield2023/04/01(土) 09:22
But if Ironmace has broken the law, why should they get to cost Nexxon even MORE money fighting this in court, and moreover the lied-to fans of Ironmace's money? Yes, it's nice to have certainty, but the facts already look clear enough unless you are choosing to wilfully bury your head in the sand. If one puts aside their anti-corporate bias, Ironmace are clearly the bad guys in this situation.
Himdone2023/04/01(土) 09:20
It's getting better bc if ironmace loses then the game is free
Shrub2023/04/01(土) 09:16
Thank you again for videos about Dark and Darker. I really want the game to come out, but I can't wholeheartedly stand behind Ironmace until we hear all of the facts. I also found it weird that the gofundme was based in Washington DC and not in South Korea, not sure if there is a legal reason behind it or something.
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:01
Just play P3, it will be the same game, but better.
Tugela602023/04/01(土) 09:13
"Incredibly unprofessional"....you know you are talking about the people who apparently ran off with their employers property right?
Kira2023/04/01(土) 10:11
Different employees.
Guy Fred2023/04/01(土) 09:08
oh no, anyway
Jonathon Wisnoski2023/04/01(土) 09:07
It sounds like if they would win, it would be on a technicality. This lawyer is talking about "Ironmace needs to prove that Dark & Darker is materially different from P3 to the point that it cannot have been inspired by the trade secrets at Nexon."

You cannot prove that D&D could never have been inspired by P3. Of course it was inspired by every game the developers ever played. Both games are just Tarkov with swords. Their is no real creativity in either of them. But if that is how the law works, clearly they will lose, because of course inspiration was taken from it.
Rhys van der Waerden2023/04/02(日) 12:21
​@Tugela60 I'm pretty sure mechanics and systems are not able to be copyrighted, so it will just come down to thematic elements.

I'm surprised they didn't have a non-compete clause in their contracts so that they could avoid using IP arguments entirely.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)2023/04/02(日) 12:34
@Tugela60 The code would have to be a majority the same. Would also have to disregard any code similarities that are boilerplate in most Unreal games when making a game in the engine. Hopefully this whole thing is over quickly so we can see who was in the right.
I'm not a lawyer so I don't know who to side with but I do know how to use Unreal.
Tugela602023/04/02(日) 12:54
@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  It is not just code it is the specific mechanics of how the game operates. For example, to get weapons you might have to collect ores, and forge them with certain materials using certain tools, then do specific quests in a specific order in a manner that it balances gameplay. These are the gameplay mechanics. If all if that is the same as in the original game the coders could only have done it that way because they already knew what to do and how to do it. They are replicating work they already did and only know how because they had already done it before. That know how is considered a trade secret, it was NOT public information, and it is protected by the confidentiality clauses of their employment contracts.

Confidentiality is a bedrock of all tech industry, you cannot go and work for someone else and replicate a project you were working on at your old job. You will get sued for theft of trade secrets if you do that and you WILL lose. Even just telling people at your new job what you did before and how you did it will potentially get you sued, you don't have to personally replicate it. That information CANNOT be disclosed to third parties, even if you no longer work at the old company. Confidentiality clauses survive after you leave employment.
Rhys van der Waerden2023/04/02(日) 01:13
@Tugela60 that's what I'd expect, but if it's the case then why is everyone talking about copyright?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)2023/04/02(日) 08:34
@Tugela60 So it's not really an issue of stealing code it's the ideas of the game? I guess it just doesn't make much sense to me considering I could probably make a technically similar game with enough time and can think about how I would make it.

All that I have seen is rather high-level concepts of a game being stolen. It doesn't matter how generic your product is, if an employee makes something remotely similar they must have stolen code?
Darkstar4212023/04/01(土) 09:01
It's obvious that you are not unbiased. And your Korean sources are obviously biased as well. Change your name to Nexon Fanboy. Dunk on some other game. Your videos are bad and rambly. Dark and Darker is one of the funnest games in years, despite the fact that ideas were taken from P3. Show me a game that does not borrow ideas. Also, they got $45k in like 5 minutes...
Kira2023/04/01(土) 09:11
Yeah, clearly I'm the biased one.
Alex Shin2023/04/02(日) 05:01
Sigh
The Daniel Droege Show2023/04/01(土) 08:55
I simply can't believe less people are tuning in. It just gets better and better! Great content.
I know people don't like Nexon personally, and I am one of them, but they successfully revolutionized the F2P model of gameplay and were some of the least scummy in the business while pioneering a new pricing model. How other developers have utilized it is not on them.
They also seem to be taking the blockchain approach with more caution and sensibility than any other which I believe will bring it into the mainstream of acceptance, if designed correctly.

I have to give Nexon points for talking smack by way of tutorial boss naming. I usually can't stand how Koreans generate names for bosses and monsters.
DragonSlyr12023/04/01(土) 08:50
I’m very interested in this specific series on your channel. Great video, as usual. Thanks.
Asdercol2023/04/01(土) 08:50
Aren't they the ones that followed the egocentrical hyprocritical fuckwit to make the same exact game for someone else? They deserve this trouble of theirs.
Skitch2023/04/01(土) 08:34
Sounds to me like they took it down because they didn't want to have their Community crowdfund them unless it was absolutely necessary
Sven2023/04/01(土) 08:43
I think the campaign was taken down because it was not an official one. If a company wants to do a crowdfund, then they are supposed to use their official account and not the account of some discord mod that might or might not be part of the company.
Skitch2023/04/01(土) 08:48
@Sven so you don't think that they have an official GoFundMe and you also think that they would have used it already?
Sven2023/04/01(土) 09:03
@Skitch I am not involved in the team, so I can't say whether they don't have an official GoFundMe account. But the one that came online today was "Luci Dark and Darker" with Luci being the alias of the discord mod. I would assume that an official account wouldn't have Luci in its name. If it was an official one, then I would expect/hope that this would have been communicated among the team as well, so other mods/admins aren't removing messages on the discord about it etc. Usually when you go do a crowdfund campaign you want to have a lot publicity/buzz about it and not a confused mess, so there would be youtube videos, official discord announcements, emails, whatever to make people aware of it. This was all missing.
My understanding is that the GoFundMe route was discussed internally, but there was not a go-ahead yet. So an official one might still be coming along. I would just be really careful about sending money to random crowd-funds that happen to have a game's name in it.
Sven2023/04/01(土) 09:06
If you are talking about big sums of money (like 500k), then companies are obliged to be able to point out where the money came from. If money comes from a random account (like the one of a mod that might or might not be part of the company), then that might cause some issues by itself. It depends on local laws, but anything above 10k (or combined transactions that result to a sum higher than it) in quite a few places get automatically flagged for further investigation by banks with regards to money-laundering.
Skitch2023/04/01(土) 09:46
@Sven so to answer my question without the word salad, you do think they have an Ironmace GoFundMe and they plan on using it? I asked this question because they have previously stated multiple times in their discord that they do not feel comfortable using a GoFundMe or accepting community donations like that, hence why I came to the conclusion that they took it down because it wasnt absolutely neccessary at this point for Ironmace.
Dubious Humor2023/04/01(土) 08:32
You’re the only one looking at both sides of this. Most YouTube simps are making videos saying “big company bad, small company good”
Alearic0062023/04/01(土) 08:32
I appreciate your constant stream of videos. Keeps me in the loop of a lot of stuff that's not covered often. And your long videos of random topics are amazing. Thank you for those. :) Best wish to you and your future endeavors.
woojinee2023/04/01(土) 08:26
Never thought about funding positively, but I think you’re right this has to be settled with clear winner at the court, not by IM bleeding out of money
Lukas Kapin2023/04/01(土) 10:12
Everything should start in court instead of big corpos bullying everyone thats smaller.

Definitely money is evil but its generalized currency in trading
Rainbow Dash2023/04/01(土) 08:24
I refunded the refund, so they kept my money
Sven2023/04/01(土) 08:44
I am sure the underpaid discord mod will be happy to receive some drink money.
Aliceisntdead2023/04/01(土) 08:23
I think people just really need to be ready to not have dark and darker. I've said since the beginning that if Ironmace stole from nexon that they deserve to have their project shut down.

I understand people want this game and I'm with any other sane person on the Nexon hate train, but if they actually stole this project regardless of if Nexon dropped it or not then people need to accept that Ironmace is a shady company that we shouldn't support. Anything less is harmful to creators and businesses as a whole.

I'm just waiting for someone smart enough to realize that this is the perfect opportunity to make something similar and do it BETTER. They'd be silly not to.
azalea2023/04/01(土) 08:23
Another chapter in the Gone and Goner saga. At this rate, we'll have more chance of The Day Before coming out.
Colin Timmins2023/04/01(土) 08:22
I really want a game like this... I could make my own version of this quite fast, maybe not as graphically good, but a game. How can one person make a game like another but not get sued? Like if your code is 100 yours and yours alone and the graphics is all your own including textures.... questions to think about for sure....
Sven2023/04/01(土) 08:28
If source code and graphical assets are yours or you have the license to use them for commercial use, then you can develop whatever you want. But always best to consult a lawyer as things might differ depending on the local laws.
James Huggett2023/04/02(日) 03:10
If the code is 100% yours you are probably good. As for graphics it's OK too, as long as they are not just reworkings of the original designs. Look at how many "Doom clones" there were for example.
Nakano272023/04/01(土) 08:12
And I still have no idea why the hell they raised a go fund me.
Is it to pay lawsuit or something?
b e2023/04/01(土) 08:22
From what it seems, the GoFundMe was/is meant to be a last ditch effort in case Nexon plans to drag out a court battle in a war of attrition, having the community give them money to pay for legal fees.
Sven2023/04/01(土) 08:25
My understanding is that originally the go fund me was an idea the team behind Dark and Darker discussed as being an option to help out to pay the lawsuit and the salaries of the team (as no revenue will fill the company's bank account as long as the game is not sold). But the official go-ahead was never given. It seems like one of the Discord mods went solo and put a go fund me online. I am not even sure whether the mod is/was actually an employee of the company or not. Sometimes discord mods are volunteers.
Rainbow Dash2023/04/01(土) 08:26
How do you not know? It's all explained in the video bruh
Nakano272023/04/01(土) 09:17
Ah, I see.
That actually makes sense.
Nakano272023/04/01(土) 09:17
@Rainbow Dash My bad, I must have missed that part when watching the video.
I was half awake when I was watching it.
Colin Timmins2023/04/01(土) 08:10
Thank you for all your hard work. It will pay off I GARANTEE IT! =]
sanddasa12023/04/01(土) 08:08
The irony of an employee going rogue due to disagreements, the apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree.
Asdercol2023/04/01(土) 08:44
It was an ego reason. Planned to leave since before any of this, got salty like a little bitch because someone told them to do something with """MY GAME""" and went behind the employer's back to literally make the same game they were making for someone else. It's illegal and they are fucked.


It's no righteous reason either, they were going to be funded by Tencent and other awful shits, but when this stuff hit they pulled out so quick it was hilarious.

If any they were too lenient with these fuckwits.
Lukas Kapin2023/04/01(土) 10:15
You mean Apple?

Well nice coincidence.
Zartoe2023/04/01(土) 08:06
"Talks more shit about Nexon here" -> Literally highlights a part that shows Nexon mocking IronMace lol. Interesting video though.
woojinee2023/04/01(土) 08:34
Because it’s so unimportant and childish. How they can get so mad about it, when the company’s entire mission statement is about shitting at Nexon (and their ex-coworkers left at Nexon)

Yeah I’d love to shit at Nexon all day long. But their ‘I can shit on you because we’re small. You can’t do that to us because you’re big’ is not really understandable.
Haoen Lin2023/04/01(土) 08:04
Situation gets Dark and Darker…
Harleyjune2023/04/01(土) 07:58
Appreciate you keeping up this insane schedule but seriously Kira, get some food and sleep at some point. Your physical and mental health comes before our entertainment
Me2023/04/01(土) 07:57
Why were so many of you losers in their discord
Kira2023/04/01(土) 08:00
huh?
Rainbow Dash2023/04/01(土) 08:26
Huh?
James Poff2023/04/01(土) 07:53
Yeah I saw this go down live in the discord. everyone was donating, then they thought it was a scam and it kept going up and down and they closed all the channels and stuff. they thought he got hacked but he didn't, it was real. But this just made the situation crazy and personally I think it's made it a lot worse for ironmace.
Todd Taylor2023/04/01(土) 07:48
I understand your points about not having a problem with the GofundMe, however it just shows how people will just throw money at things without having any idea what is really going on. You know there are people thinking if I send them money, they'll get put the game out and I'll be able to play it. No, you're basically only paying them to twiddle their thumbs during what could be a long legal dispute in which case the game will remain shelved for the duration. And, like you touched on, how much "support" will they have a six months or year from now? And as fickle as the typical gamer is you know the support tap will close sooner rather than later. I have no idea how Korean civil cases proceed but if Ironmace has the "ammo" they'd better be trying to get this process going fast.
FinnBacon2023/04/01(土) 07:48
Thank goodness this is just an elaborate April fools joke! Geez for a second there I was really concerned that Dark and Darker was just entirely screwed… hahahaha🥹🥺😭
SirMunday2023/04/01(土) 07:46
Please keep covering this, this is amazing.
Helmotz2023/04/01(土) 07:45
you got me engaged, now I want to know the end
mysticx02023/04/01(土) 07:43
if its only a few of us tuning in for these it makes me appreciate you more for doing it for us.
Catthew on da Hōkūleʻa2023/04/01(土) 07:39
I say keep going with the Dark and Darker stuff, you have me interested but do not have enough time in my day to full research it. Thank you for the hard work on keep us informed.
tarapapi2023/04/01(土) 07:37
I'm really sad because the dream is over. To be quite frankly I couldn't really give too much of a crap about their stint with Nexon(Nobody likes working for big corporations) but they did it in a way that was so poorly handled and now its come to bite them back in the ass.

Regardless of what happens I still hate Nexon.
Serubantesu2023/04/01(土) 07:34
The post you were highlighting (looking at the statements and dmca filing of) the poster doesnt claim to have a game degree and claims they aren't a lawyer.

The community support is pretty nice, lawsuit aside
Kira2023/04/01(土) 08:02
"I'm a law student and I have a game design degree." Literally 3 seconds to ctrl+f law or game design in that thread. I never said was a lawyer. Said was studying law, training lawyer. Aka a law student. Please take a few seconds to fact check yourself before fact checking me.
Serubantesu2023/04/01(土) 09:16
@Kira It wasn't meant to be a fact check it was a point where it wasn't disclosed on the actual post. I did a search as well but didn't find anything until after searching again. But you know, some offhand comment on reddit is the same as saying you are related to the queen
PerN16602023/04/01(土) 07:29
Good job on this story, very interessting to get the korean side of things, the language makes that quite difficult
mesmerising2023/04/01(土) 07:27
go fund me that gets over 40k in less than an hour screams suspicious tbf
Nova Angle2023/04/01(土) 08:15
yep
Dan LaBrecque2023/04/01(土) 07:24
Does it not sound fishy how they earned $45k in a half an hour? Ive seen some Go Fund Mes that even get promoted on television and social media and those dont even hit $45k that quickly.
Lenariet2023/04/01(土) 07:45
Not necessarily, they seem to have a lot of loyal fans and then there might be also some in on it just to show the middle finger to Nexon, all hitting F5 constantly ready to shell out money for this holy crusade. I bet some of them saw something like that coming and had their cash ready already.
Everlove2023/04/01(土) 07:18
Both of these companies are a shitshow and they shouldn't be allowed to produce games. They're acting like teenage rivals in high school and its fucking embarrassing. You guys are grown adults. Act like it.
Kira2023/04/01(土) 08:04
Nexon hasn't really released anything publicly so not exactly sure how they're acting like high school rivals. They've been pretty professional and the only things that have released on their side are official documents or leaks.
Xaz hard2023/04/01(土) 07:17
Thanks for covering this, haven't watched this video yet but all the mega biased copium takes from the fans are killing me
The Casual Subculturist2023/04/01(土) 07:13
I posted long comment on last Kira's video, so I won't post another one. However, if you want Nexon to burn, it's fine, it would be their Karma for all these years of essentially extorting gamers. However, don't do it for covering this sad excuse of a company, because at this point, it's not about legally responsible or not, it's morals and business ethics, and they are clearly wrong there.
Desi H2023/04/01(土) 07:13
Jesus Kira, the second line on the reddit post that you cited as the basis on this entire Iron Mace bash session was "I am not a lawyer". You're literally talking out of your ass unless you have an actual lawyer cite something, and until we have the complete evidence in front of us to see a clear picture. Sucks that content creators are milking this thing from all sides and putting out so much garbage lately. Citing random reddit posts and unverified "leaks" in order to fit a gut feeling that Iron Mace is guilty? This whole thing has really made me rethink why the fuck I even watch this channel.
MrRandomTurboHDRemix2023/04/01(土) 07:21
Just... leave? This channel has always been for lower effort content, nothing's changed.
Kira2023/04/01(土) 08:06
I'd really love for people such as yourself who want to fact check me with such a ridiculous and incredulous manner to actually listen to what I said first, and then do the bare minimum of 3 seconds to see how fucking stupid you are. I never once said they're a lawyer. I said "training lawyers" as in, a lawyer in training. Not yet a lawyer. Which if you go into that thread and press control+f and type "law", you'll see him say "I'm a law student and I have a game design degree." What is a law student? Someone training to be a lawyer. If you've ever spoken to a law student, you know what they'll say as disclosure? "I am not a lawyer", because they are not a lawyer. You know if you ever speak to someone who has ever passed the bar and became a lawyer will do when you speak to them? They'll say "this is not legal advice" and then disclose the reason they are giving you their informal opinion on your question without committing to their opinion being used as legal advice. You know why they do this? Because it's best practice when giving information that people may make decisions on. But hey, I wouldn't expect someone who can't listen to a simple sentence without ignoring half the words in it and then getting upset to really put much thought into real world things like professional ethics and best practices.

So not only are you attributing to me something I factually, provably did not say, but you're also not even checking the source material. The reason he's saying he is not a lawyer at the top, is because being a law student, is not being a lawyer. You're a lawyer when you pass the bar. Which is why I didn't say, this person is a lawyer. Instead saying "training lawyer". Not the best english on my part, but anyone with 2 braincells to rub together knows what I'm saying. Unfortunately, that excluded you.

No need to rethink it, because I'm banning you anyways. My content is to inform people and clearly you're too assmad to be informed about anything when your brain doesn't allow you to listen and comprehend simple english or spend 1/10th of the time it takes to write your comment to fact check yourself. I've not got to rethink that I never want to read your dumbass opinions again. Shadow realm with you.
Alex Hegg2023/04/01(土) 10:32
@Kira There is a point to be made that when you cite a reddit post there's not really a way to verify that the person is who they say they are. I gotta agree that you did disclose that the reddit person is a lawyer in training but I think it's important to qualify that a lawyer with zero experience is sketch. I actually asked a buddy of mine who is an experience lawyer about this case and he said he really couldn't judge the situation well because he's not specialized in copyright which just goes to show that even an experienced attorney really wouldn't comment on this case.
Kira2023/04/02(日) 07:26
Do they need to be who they say they are when their research is good, makes sense, and is useful? I literally said not guaranteed to be fact, but the research is in depth. And also said, "they seem to think." Then, they told people to go check it to formulate their opinion.

And your experienced attorney friend, of course, wouldn't comment on this without doing the hours of research required. That's what attourneys do. But he could give a similar in-depth but not guaranteed legal opinion had he done so.

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