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343's Secret Halo Infinite Update
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2022年07月04日 17:10
Mint Blitz2022/07/03(日) 02:19
Thoughts on Halo Infinite's Skill Based Matchmaking?
Nowlan22022/07/04(月) 04:28
I only play bot matches to level up. When the games is at its full potential years from now
Shaun Sheep2022/07/04(月) 04:33
Can't play, menu screen crashes constantly so I stopped playing
SwaffBoy2022/07/04(月) 05:36
Its crazy I just hopped off Infinite dealing with the same issues you mentioned about the SBMM feature deciding loss rates, pairing with low skill team mates, etc. I thought I must have just been having a bad time, but it feels that way all the time - me top fragging for my team but playing against a team that is constantly taking me on 3v1, very coordinated, and none of them are taking damage from my team mates whatsoever. For reference, I'm 1682 Onyx. 2-3 people on the other team can be low onyx and 3 of my teammates may be low Diamond if that. So frustrating the way the game "balances" lobbies, which is not only more often lopsided but the same system is used in social as in ranked so its always sweaty. I can't play unless it is with friends anymore.
Giving Upwood2022/07/04(月) 06:01
It’s literally the reason my friends and I have stopped playing, after 2 games it becomes actively unfun to play when we’re matched too highly.
elliott b2022/07/04(月) 08:09
it just silly that social still uses ranks.
just throw everybody in together, it will sort itself out.
it like " everybody gets a medal" mentality thats going around.
just throw everybody in together, it will sort itself out.
it like " everybody gets a medal" mentality thats going around.
Liam Wolfsbane2022/07/04(月) 07:56
I have gotten fed up with how every btb game I do, it's against an incredibly competitive team. I just want to have fun, btb has always been my go to, but not anymore.
The Halo Doctor2022/07/04(月) 07:49
Been really struggling with this too. Am from UK and if I want to jump online during Off-peak hours I CANNOT find games at all. It's not just skill that affects ability to find a game but also what server you're nearest to. At 5am UK time I'm waiting 50mins for a game and ranked says may not be enough players in the playlist, but on Twitch NA players have 30 second to 1min wait times. SO PLEASE implement server selection 343. Everyone will welcome it during peak hours to find good ms, and off peak to just simply find games by selecting populous servers.
T2022/07/04(月) 07:43
Too competitive, would love to see new maps ffs, its almost been a f#####g year.
Bukakkii2022/07/04(月) 07:36
I wonder why the population is low, the game is dawg sheet
Inigo Arroyo2022/07/04(月) 07:34
Haven't played infinite since release. Ever since I touched the campaign and finished it through sheer force because of how boring, stale, and bare bones it was, I knew the game was as good as dead.
Hell, been saying since way before the game release that it was going to be ass, what did I get? Death threats, people defending 343, people hard on copium, and a false reality. Guess who was right in the end?
Either ways this franchise is dead to me, will never touch a halo game in the future.
Hell, been saying since way before the game release that it was going to be ass, what did I get? Death threats, people defending 343, people hard on copium, and a false reality. Guess who was right in the end?
Either ways this franchise is dead to me, will never touch a halo game in the future.
f38stingray2022/07/04(月) 07:34
I'm a shmuck and mostly play bot bootcamp to get the daily challenges. It now takes 5 or more minutes to load into a bot bootcamp match. Originally, I thought it was because I moved from east coast (US) to central last week, but it seems not.
Anonymousswine2022/07/04(月) 07:30
I've been noticing this more and more as Infinite goes on. I have to be at my peak in every game and it's hard to just have a fun session. I rarely play ranked but every social game is starting to feel that way now. When I party up with a friend, he says the game is noticeably harder so he's become less inclined to play with me. If you have a bad game, you just get pumped. I've also noticed that even in the bad games, one player on my team is still out in front while we get shredded. The closest thing you can get to a casual experience is Fiesta because of the luck element. I miss Halo 3 where social was literally just that. Turn your brain off and have a blast. I've had some very satisfying games on Infinite, but pure horsing about and fun? Not so many.
Jarad Doyon2022/07/04(月) 07:21
Well when you clearly use mouse+keyboard but have the game think you are playing controller so you have aim assist as you clearly play, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to play with others. Like we can see it, and playing against someone who does it sucks.
arghone2022/07/04(月) 07:16
Struth, Crikey & Flaming Galahs, somehow never clicked you're from West New Zealand until you mentioned it in this video. Incoming friend request from Captain Salty 1
Archon2022/07/04(月) 07:12
Just get rid of SBMM in social playlists. Has no place, and never will. I haven't played shooter's like I used to since it became a thing.
Edit: Or before it became so strict I should say.
Edit: Or before it became so strict I should say.
TheMixedMamba2022/07/04(月) 07:10
Lol I haven’t played this game in 2 weeks and I probably won’t till it’s actually decent in like 4 years
Notorious Tim2022/07/04(月) 06:58
I highly doubt this halo infinite game will last 10 years.
Jacob McCollum2022/07/04(月) 06:46
It makes me sad the way 343 has ruined this game.
The core gameplay is so good, but literally everything roar around it seems like they are actively chasing people away.
The core gameplay is so good, but literally everything roar around it seems like they are actively chasing people away.
Pedro Côrtes2022/07/04(月) 06:46
There should be fewer playlist with board game modes and no skill matchmaking
Buff the custom game system, help us communicate, form lobbies and create gamemodes
Then ad little by little more skill based matchmaking on the most played and requested modes.
Buff the custom game system, help us communicate, form lobbies and create gamemodes
Then ad little by little more skill based matchmaking on the most played and requested modes.
Nathan mountain2022/07/04(月) 06:41
Think it's pretty funny you're going on about making friends when last night you unadded me cause I killed you a couple times in btb ???
Evan Loyd2022/07/04(月) 06:39
Every game of infinite feels like it wants me not to have any fun.
Dylan Muprhy2022/07/04(月) 06:16
Yeah for a lot of gamers in Australia this game is DEAD. I'm not touching this trashfire until its fixed which is the most depressing thing I've ever said considering Halo is my favourite series
T-REX Harris2022/07/04(月) 06:01
My friend who rarely plays the game anymore went back for the weekly reward a couple days ago and found ROYAL 2 in their Rumble Pit game.
This explains everything. Needs to be fixed immediately. Strict SBMM kills games, and Infinite is already on life support.
This explains everything. Needs to be fixed immediately. Strict SBMM kills games, and Infinite is already on life support.
Henry Drummond2022/07/04(月) 05:59
Games unplayable for me in Australia. Always getting 300p ranked gamess. I'm done with this game.
Keenan Dowling2022/07/04(月) 05:50
thanks for the video, i thought i was playing way harder people, now i know why. also the social thing is so annoying. i'll find people i like and literally be like, i'm sorry dude, i haven't bothered to try and figure out how to communicate with people cuz they made it so hard. and there you go, i'm another solo player who may continue to be. everything was so good in halo 3! even the map voting. why is it so hard to replicate a good thing!?
Simon Millbourn2022/07/04(月) 05:45
Good to know that it isn't Aussie internet being the problem. With the packet loss,stutter, and now lack of games in general and high pings whenever you do find a game... what is the point? Feel ashamed to have bought both season passes tbh.
Greg W2022/07/04(月) 05:44
so many times I've wanted to speak to players on the enemy team and have just no way of doing so. One player just demolished me 1v1 every single time because he/she had some next level strafe that I just couldn't match. All I wants to say was "holy crap dude. that's some next level strafing". Can't. Not allowed. makes the experience feel quite hollow.
Tyler McVeigh2022/07/04(月) 05:44
BTB is supposed to be fun, not ranked match in disguise. I just do not understand 343's hatred for casual playlists.
Pale Brow2022/07/04(月) 05:37
Couldn’t agree more halo 3 had social slayer and that was so fun no sweating Gatorade every match
ThatOneBullet2022/07/04(月) 05:20
I went back to MCC, its a better game.. or games.
Ramza2022/07/04(月) 05:12
Yup, I have to carry every game because sbmm is so strict with giving me bots for teammates
HiTechRedneck2022/07/04(月) 05:06
This is probably an extremely unpopular opinion, but imo if they’re gonna use SBMM in social, they may as well just make everything ranked except for the laid back playlists like BTB, Fiesta, Action Sack, etc. As it is now when you play social, you’re pretty much playing ranked anyway, just without the goal of ranking up attached. Sadly both the ranked and social experience sucks because those of us who enjoy ranked have next to nothing to play, and social fans can’t just chill like they want. Now when those of us who prefer playlists like Slayer , SWAT, etc, but have also enjoyed those being ranked and thus more competitive, do venture into those now social lists, I’m sure it’s not fun for those who are just looking for a chill experience in social, because we want to sweat and go full try hard like we always have because those playlists were always ranked. So I’m not sure what side they were trying to cater to with the barebones ranked approach, but imo they screwed both the competitive and casual audience with the same decision.
Fumpledink2022/07/04(月) 05:06
skill based matchmaking isnt neccesary in my opinion.
im shit at halo and i fully admit that but honestly getting stomped by people that are just better than me is part of the experience and it makes those good games feel so much better and more deserved than just playing with people on my skill level, sure i top score more often, sure i win more but honestly it felt better to win playing reach on the MCC than it does in infinite.
im shit at halo and i fully admit that but honestly getting stomped by people that are just better than me is part of the experience and it makes those good games feel so much better and more deserved than just playing with people on my skill level, sure i top score more often, sure i win more but honestly it felt better to win playing reach on the MCC than it does in infinite.
ClassicActual2022/07/04(月) 05:00
You just validated months of suspicion, I knew something was up, how could I end up with the worst teammates 20 games in a row. Lets punish our players for winning.
M I K E Y MO2022/07/04(月) 04:52
It’s time we stop doing mental gymnastics and accept the fact that the series has gone to shit and it isn’t in good hands. Halo was a fun social game that could also be cranked up for competition. Now so many other games do this a lot better. None of them scratch that OT Halo itch, but it isn’t like 343i Halo’s are scratching that itch either. I think it’s time we just stop playing and let the numbers show M$ that systemic change needs to happen in this series.
Leaky Think Tank2022/07/04(月) 04:52
Not just BTB even getting a “quick game” can take3 or 4 times as long, but if I go over to Halo generations I’m in a match in 2 to 3 mins, more people downunder play the OG halo, I love the game play of infinite, but I get sick of waiting around
B4BbrusierTallBoySwarmPlayer2022/07/04(月) 04:36
I fear it might become as bad as call of duty sbmm
SalsTouch2022/07/04(月) 04:36
Who’s in charge of these terrible terrible decisions bro
Lost and forgotten2022/07/04(月) 04:27
Will this be the first halo to fail? Will it be the communities fault? Absolutely. why? Because they had to bitch and complain about change. Halo 4 and 5. Remember if you complained about those two and kept on complaining well. You helped shape what halo infinite is today. You don't wanna hear it but that's a solid truth.
Lost and forgotten2022/07/04(月) 04:28
Quick summary community feedback influenced how 343i tackled Halo Infinite.
Remnant Gaming2022/07/04(月) 04:24
So, 343 have made another mind boggling decision for this game... I wish I was surprised
ThunderFeet2022/07/04(月) 04:11
the lack of social features has done so much harm to the halo community. it was such a blast to chirp other players, and have random conversations before and after the game starts, and then be able to party up together too. all of that needs to come back.
same with casual game modes. infinite has no chill. I actually find LSS to be the least sweaty game mode, and that's just because having only five lives makes everyone slow down a bit more most of the time. Beyond that, every other mode is intense and often stressful. we need casual modes, game modes that are just for fun. and it drives me crazy when they already exist within the collective halo experience but still aren't in infinite. grifball, infection, rocket race (which would be a blast), and so many more. we need an action sack playlist. and beyond that even when they add some fun game modes like rocket repulsors or ninja slayer, they're not on every map and there's no vote system. I never even had the chance to play rocket repulsors before it was removed. smh. I want to love this game but 343 keeps making it harder to do that
same with casual game modes. infinite has no chill. I actually find LSS to be the least sweaty game mode, and that's just because having only five lives makes everyone slow down a bit more most of the time. Beyond that, every other mode is intense and often stressful. we need casual modes, game modes that are just for fun. and it drives me crazy when they already exist within the collective halo experience but still aren't in infinite. grifball, infection, rocket race (which would be a blast), and so many more. we need an action sack playlist. and beyond that even when they add some fun game modes like rocket repulsors or ninja slayer, they're not on every map and there's no vote system. I never even had the chance to play rocket repulsors before it was removed. smh. I want to love this game but 343 keeps making it harder to do that
A Swanky Lemon2022/07/04(月) 04:03
Literally we need party matching and no SBMM for social and it'd be amazing, but they refuse to do that
Mike Paul2022/07/04(月) 03:56
Haven’t played in 2-3 months but when I was 80% of my team felt like bots
cornfednebraskaneer2022/07/04(月) 03:55
343 is just failing so badly
Doom Guy2022/07/04(月) 03:52
Maybe a toggle on and off option for low population areas
skier1832022/07/04(月) 03:41
Thanks for shining a light on this Mint!
I’m an Australian diamond 4 ranked player and I was unable to find a Fiesta or Team Slayer match last night at midnight. I can’t believe 343 has made the SBMM so strict I can’t find games in these social playlists. I just turned the game off.
343 literally turning people off Infinite!
I’m an Australian diamond 4 ranked player and I was unable to find a Fiesta or Team Slayer match last night at midnight. I can’t believe 343 has made the SBMM so strict I can’t find games in these social playlists. I just turned the game off.
343 literally turning people off Infinite!
Cody Zdankiewicz2022/07/04(月) 03:28
This is an issue definitely worth pushing. I'm in Asia, and have trouble too. Certain gamemodes, I just won't play or it's not worth waiting.
fin james2022/07/04(月) 03:20
343 doesn’t understand casual halo
Ethan Waggoner2022/07/04(月) 03:17
Everything is just so hyper competitive it’s ridiculous. It’s almost exhausting at this point playing the game because you have to try so hard especially if you’re on Xbox one like I am. It also sucks that now that I’m done with the battlepass I, again, don’t have anything to play for.
mercy2022/07/04(月) 03:15
i would love to play this game more often but just like gears, this game is basically dead on aussie servers. very unfortunate for people like us who grew up with these games and love them to death :/
K K2022/07/04(月) 03:12
343: *matches people based on skill level
Mint Blitz: *no one at his skill level to match with
Mint Blitz: *no one at his skill level to match with
Lil Sticc2022/07/04(月) 03:07
Idt I've played Infinite since about February, and any hope I had for this game is gone tbh
HossDaddy2062022/07/04(月) 03:05
Just another example of how 343 strategy to separate themselves from Bungie has actually backfired. Please bring back comms for free for all.
Hi Ky2022/07/04(月) 03:04
I'm convinced they just want the game to fail
TheRock'sCooking2022/07/04(月) 02:59
It's so sad how 343 hasn't learned nearly a decade. They had chance after chance and failed. This was supposed to be the game that brought back MS's gem and they fumbled.
DasMajii2022/07/04(月) 02:54
I always say that games gotta make different queues. Queues specifically for social players and more sweaty players. It MIGHT require a slight overhaul to the menu ui but it won't force players into matches where people are looking for different experiences
quizr2022/07/04(月) 02:50
They.... Made MM stricter...
Im lost for words on how you can fuck a game so consistently, so perpetually..
Im lost for words on how you can fuck a game so consistently, so perpetually..
Jacob Williams2022/07/04(月) 02:43
fuck the halo 343 made dog shit
NightRogue2022/07/04(月) 02:39
Yeah see that’s what irritates me as well… It really sucks that people today can’t experience what we experienced with the original trilogy
Gojira Destructicus2022/07/04(月) 02:38
Huh, no wonder why I find most people playing Bot Bootcamp these days lol
cooke862022/07/04(月) 02:33
did they lower the fire rate on the heatwave? cuz it feels slow
David Fahim2022/07/04(月) 02:32
I’ve been playing religiously since Halo 1 came out…this game is so far from Halo it’s so disheartening. The core game is fine but everything else is a shame.
Biggy Irons2022/07/04(月) 02:31
It’s like 343 is intentionally making the wrong decisions.
Warlord 1172022/07/04(月) 06:54
At last someone gets it.
olYaKlo2022/07/04(月) 02:25
Is it really a secret if noone is there to care?
Iain Duncan2022/07/04(月) 02:19
wait... they made the matchmaking WORSE? are you fucking KIDDING ME? I can't stand having to sweat balls every single fucking match, can't wait for it to be worse!
cbpprophet2022/07/04(月) 02:18
probably got shadow banned for cheating. lol
SALT XXV2022/07/04(月) 02:17
haven't noticed because I uninstalled before s2. I do look back, and I'm pleased to think I made the right decision.
I don't know why people even bother with this game... It is going to be a long while before it starts getting better!
I don't know why people even bother with this game... It is going to be a long while before it starts getting better!
Ale2022/07/04(月) 02:12
I don't know if you have problems because you're on PC? I live in Australia (Vic) and I have no problem finding games in any playlist. I don't know if I am playing with people mostly in Australia or around the world but I did get in a game with a dude from Canada 5 times in a row
Everyday Bodybuilding2022/07/04(月) 02:07
Should be no ranking system in social or something extremely light
Paul Sullivan2022/07/04(月) 02:00
I haven't noticed this change at all, actually!
Admittedly it's because I've given up on Infinite and stopped playing though...
Admittedly it's because I've given up on Infinite and stopped playing though...
Old Crow2022/07/04(月) 01:59
I don't know why I expected good news.
I'm not even good at Halo, and even I feel the strain of SBMM. It's either sweat my ass off, or get so horribly curb stomped that my "Relaxed match" just becomes a montage of getting curbstomped.
I don't know what 343 is thinking, but they're giving me every excuse never to come back to this game. I got my black visor, I'm done now until this game actually deserves my time.
I'm not even good at Halo, and even I feel the strain of SBMM. It's either sweat my ass off, or get so horribly curb stomped that my "Relaxed match" just becomes a montage of getting curbstomped.
I don't know what 343 is thinking, but they're giving me every excuse never to come back to this game. I got my black visor, I'm done now until this game actually deserves my time.
Omega2022/07/04(月) 01:57
Honestly not having a good matchmaking system is the reason why i dont play.
Why play by myselff? To get my ass handed to me its just depressing untill they fix this issue i will not be playing any matchmaking...
Why play by myselff? To get my ass handed to me its just depressing untill they fix this issue i will not be playing any matchmaking...
Captain Complain2022/07/04(月) 01:53
I understand and agree with the problem of having too much skill based matchmaking in a game with such a low player base.
I just find the mentality of people who dislike sbmm to be frankly elitist. The argument is literally always "i just want to play a casual game" from the top 10% that are good at the game, and they never seem to connect that the experience that feels casual to them is because they get to squash the other 90%, whom overwhelmingly find that experience anti-fun. For those people, fighting people just as bad as them makes the game fun.
Also the "my teammates are bad while the enemy team are not" claim is common it literally every competitive game. Its a fallacy. Even if a game dev is actually setting up teams like that, it is likely much less impactful than you realize.
I just find the mentality of people who dislike sbmm to be frankly elitist. The argument is literally always "i just want to play a casual game" from the top 10% that are good at the game, and they never seem to connect that the experience that feels casual to them is because they get to squash the other 90%, whom overwhelmingly find that experience anti-fun. For those people, fighting people just as bad as them makes the game fun.
Also the "my teammates are bad while the enemy team are not" claim is common it literally every competitive game. Its a fallacy. Even if a game dev is actually setting up teams like that, it is likely much less impactful than you realize.
Jayozranger2022/07/04(月) 01:52
Bro the reason you can’t find a game is because you block anyway who beats you 4 times lmao
#justiceforactman2022/07/04(月) 01:50
One word can sum up 343 era halo; incompetence
NathF982022/07/04(月) 01:50
Finally made it in to a video! Was fun getting destroyed by you haha ?
The Nute2022/07/04(月) 01:47
Gave up on Halo once they stopped me from playing Ranked with my friends. Don't care anymore, done complaining, just moved on to greener pastures. I'll watch streamers play and videos like yours to see if I want to eventually come back but 343 is making that decision easy for me at this point.
Connor Ventura2022/07/04(月) 01:44
This speaks volumes... Every time I can even find a game in ranked (Aus), I am continually paired with people who end up costing us the game. While I am continuously positive, playing objective, etc, ALL my other team mates are negative and running around like headless chickens... It's a shame this has happened, we all love Halo so much, but are now even being blocked from playing it.
YukiSensei2022/07/04(月) 01:40
Well said as always
IWrightMusic2022/07/04(月) 01:34
I always knew there was something broken with the matchmaking and that really puts words to what I was feeling.
I wouldn't say I'm particularly good by any stretch of the imagination but I know I should be at least be being competetive if the matchmaking is doing what it's supposed too. If I were to play 10 games in a row, at least 6 or 7 of those games I swear I get paired with literal potatoes against near professional players and then the other 3 are either actual close matches or stomps in the reverse direction.
I VERY rarely feel like I have a session that mostly consists of fun and close games, it's always I get stomped 7/10 games and then I have a few close or reverse stomp games, the people I used to play with stopped playing it because of this, it just wasn't fun to be always getting destroyed.
I wouldn't say I'm particularly good by any stretch of the imagination but I know I should be at least be being competetive if the matchmaking is doing what it's supposed too. If I were to play 10 games in a row, at least 6 or 7 of those games I swear I get paired with literal potatoes against near professional players and then the other 3 are either actual close matches or stomps in the reverse direction.
I VERY rarely feel like I have a session that mostly consists of fun and close games, it's always I get stomped 7/10 games and then I have a few close or reverse stomp games, the people I used to play with stopped playing it because of this, it just wasn't fun to be always getting destroyed.
Evan Velasco2022/07/04(月) 01:31
Your clips are always filled with juicy headshots and what not. Love being able to get to hear the news while a montage of your plays r in the background. Keep it up ?
Yurei Unbound2022/07/04(月) 01:28
i dont know about other people but my halo has been getting worse and worse. I am dc'ing more than ever and for some reason it keeps signing me out from my xbox account. I play on PC btw. This is is just outright dog shit.
Rybu2022/07/04(月) 01:26
Sbmm has no place in casual queues.
Casual queues should be made based solely on stability. Yes this enables new players to get matched with try hards that wipe the floor with them in some games. It’s better than people not being able to play at all.
If you take a million people and randomly put them in games together, odds are you’re going to have games that represent the average skill level of people playing the game. You will have outlier games where there are players who are very good or very bad. But most of the time you will see similar skill levels, or a spread from high to low skill. This is the way social matchmaking worked back in the day if I’m not mistaken. It’s not a perfect system, but it works. The better you get at the game, the more you win. If you’re better than average, you win more than 50% of games.
That is only true in Sbmm not if you are better than average, but if you are growing. Any time you stop growing, you will win roughly 50%, as you will be matched with equal skill players.
It’s actually a downside, because as you travel in skill away from the average skill level, population decreases, and so queue times increase. This is a phenomenon present in almost every multiplayer game. Sbmm inherently punishes players from improving beyond average level.
This is usually offset with rank items. Like a loading screen border (you know which game) or an exclusive skin. Halo infinite has this part somewhat down but there’s room for improvement.
Right? Sbmm is needed for a reason in specific situations, like if there’s a ranked ladder involved, but because the system inherently punishes players as they get better, rewards are needed to compensate.
But if Sbmm is used in every queue… what’s the point of the ranked ladder?
FURTHER, if you use the same mmr in all queues… doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the fucking mmr?
Why would my skill level in fiesta be considered when finding opponents in ranked slayer? Where the rules and sandbox are extremely tuned for a very specific, competitive experience?
For those who don’t know, mmr is like an invisible score your account has. Every time you play a game, depending on your performance and the average mmr of everyone in your game, you will gain or lose an amount of mmr.
Currently, it seems halo infinite applies your mmr to your account. Based on any match performance. And then it’s used to make matches in any online queue.
So if you grind ranked until you’re onyx, then go over to btb to chill, the only way you’re gonna be chilling is in the fucking queue because there aren’t many people at that mmr. And if you do find a game, it’s gonna be full of onyx players, and the ensuing game is going to be of equal tension as your ranked games, because your skill in 4v4 br radarless somehow impacts your ability to play 10v10 clusterfuck. I mean, sure there is some impact in real life, but it’s a social queue.
Here’s how the concept is supposed to work:
Casual queue: matches are made with stability and low queue times as a priority. If you’re better than average, you win more often. Lobbies are a mixed bag when it comes to skill level. Systems can be employed that attempt to balance teams: don’t put two high level players on the same team, team total mmr should equate, etc. However, the more rules you have like this, the longer match finding takes.
Ranked queue: matches are made based on mmr and stability. Queue times are left to be as long as they need to be. Rank progress is only relevant and accurate if you are playing with and against people of equal rank, so lobbies must be populated with mmrs as similar as possible. Mmr only applies to the specific queue. Or at least mmrs have categories. There are ranked queues for many different playlists. Similar gamemodes either are in the same playlist or the same mmr category so that performance in these similar modes are tied together. But your performance in ranked swat isn’t going to effect your lone wolves rank. The downside to this system is queue times can get out of hand leading to a feedback loop that continuously decreases player pool. You can counteract this by reducing the mmr strictness as queue times get longer, allowing for more mixed lobbies, but this leads to more problems with fairness concerns and rank accuracy.
However, with its drawbacks, this system has never been beaten, aside from scheduled tournaments instead of ranked matchmaking. Scheduled tournaments are almost perfect, except that they require prelims/seeding, and of course, they are scheduled. You can do random teams in tournaments (everyone shows up and teams are made on the spot), but usually it tournaments also require a pre made team.
At any rate, the key takeaway here is: mmr and sbmm has no place in casual queues. Mmr and sbmm must NEVER be used across unrelated playlists.
Unless playing for rank bragging rights, your win rate reflects your current skill level, not your skill level growth. If you are good, you win more. In ranked, no matter how good you are, if you aren’t getting better, you win half the games.
And this is like matchmaking 101. This shit has been established. The way to improve it is to build upon the system. Innovate and improve what is already here, not toss it all out the window in favor of a hand-drawn, half-baked knockoff that gets the worst of all worlds.
Casual queues should be made based solely on stability. Yes this enables new players to get matched with try hards that wipe the floor with them in some games. It’s better than people not being able to play at all.
If you take a million people and randomly put them in games together, odds are you’re going to have games that represent the average skill level of people playing the game. You will have outlier games where there are players who are very good or very bad. But most of the time you will see similar skill levels, or a spread from high to low skill. This is the way social matchmaking worked back in the day if I’m not mistaken. It’s not a perfect system, but it works. The better you get at the game, the more you win. If you’re better than average, you win more than 50% of games.
That is only true in Sbmm not if you are better than average, but if you are growing. Any time you stop growing, you will win roughly 50%, as you will be matched with equal skill players.
It’s actually a downside, because as you travel in skill away from the average skill level, population decreases, and so queue times increase. This is a phenomenon present in almost every multiplayer game. Sbmm inherently punishes players from improving beyond average level.
This is usually offset with rank items. Like a loading screen border (you know which game) or an exclusive skin. Halo infinite has this part somewhat down but there’s room for improvement.
Right? Sbmm is needed for a reason in specific situations, like if there’s a ranked ladder involved, but because the system inherently punishes players as they get better, rewards are needed to compensate.
But if Sbmm is used in every queue… what’s the point of the ranked ladder?
FURTHER, if you use the same mmr in all queues… doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the fucking mmr?
Why would my skill level in fiesta be considered when finding opponents in ranked slayer? Where the rules and sandbox are extremely tuned for a very specific, competitive experience?
For those who don’t know, mmr is like an invisible score your account has. Every time you play a game, depending on your performance and the average mmr of everyone in your game, you will gain or lose an amount of mmr.
Currently, it seems halo infinite applies your mmr to your account. Based on any match performance. And then it’s used to make matches in any online queue.
So if you grind ranked until you’re onyx, then go over to btb to chill, the only way you’re gonna be chilling is in the fucking queue because there aren’t many people at that mmr. And if you do find a game, it’s gonna be full of onyx players, and the ensuing game is going to be of equal tension as your ranked games, because your skill in 4v4 br radarless somehow impacts your ability to play 10v10 clusterfuck. I mean, sure there is some impact in real life, but it’s a social queue.
Here’s how the concept is supposed to work:
Casual queue: matches are made with stability and low queue times as a priority. If you’re better than average, you win more often. Lobbies are a mixed bag when it comes to skill level. Systems can be employed that attempt to balance teams: don’t put two high level players on the same team, team total mmr should equate, etc. However, the more rules you have like this, the longer match finding takes.
Ranked queue: matches are made based on mmr and stability. Queue times are left to be as long as they need to be. Rank progress is only relevant and accurate if you are playing with and against people of equal rank, so lobbies must be populated with mmrs as similar as possible. Mmr only applies to the specific queue. Or at least mmrs have categories. There are ranked queues for many different playlists. Similar gamemodes either are in the same playlist or the same mmr category so that performance in these similar modes are tied together. But your performance in ranked swat isn’t going to effect your lone wolves rank. The downside to this system is queue times can get out of hand leading to a feedback loop that continuously decreases player pool. You can counteract this by reducing the mmr strictness as queue times get longer, allowing for more mixed lobbies, but this leads to more problems with fairness concerns and rank accuracy.
However, with its drawbacks, this system has never been beaten, aside from scheduled tournaments instead of ranked matchmaking. Scheduled tournaments are almost perfect, except that they require prelims/seeding, and of course, they are scheduled. You can do random teams in tournaments (everyone shows up and teams are made on the spot), but usually it tournaments also require a pre made team.
At any rate, the key takeaway here is: mmr and sbmm has no place in casual queues. Mmr and sbmm must NEVER be used across unrelated playlists.
Unless playing for rank bragging rights, your win rate reflects your current skill level, not your skill level growth. If you are good, you win more. In ranked, no matter how good you are, if you aren’t getting better, you win half the games.
And this is like matchmaking 101. This shit has been established. The way to improve it is to build upon the system. Innovate and improve what is already here, not toss it all out the window in favor of a hand-drawn, half-baked knockoff that gets the worst of all worlds.
Stephen Williams2022/07/04(月) 01:21
I don't even play infinite anymore. I got fed up with them not taking care of the game. They need to leave MCC alone, because of they come break that game too, I'm gonna be really upset.
Da Yo Man Yo2022/07/04(月) 01:19
Hahaha genius
CHEPO2022/07/04(月) 01:12
“Secret update” LMAO? this is definetely another level of fanboyness , bunch of blind ass amoebas… keep clapping to every single sht 343 does.. they have NO IDEA of how to make a proper AAA FPS GAME, clean your glasses
STOP SUPPORTING THIS “GAME” this is not even a game..
STOP SUPPORTING THIS “GAME” this is not even a game..
Admin Team2022/07/04(月) 01:05
2:40 As far as I know the team matching system in halo infinite aka the "team balancer" is designed to make sure that both teams have close to a 50 percent chance of winning. The system has flaws as such a decent player will mostly have the worst team mates to try to get the game as close to a 50/50 win chance. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's designed to make you lose but it does sometimes feel like it, no doubt about it.
Condi Fennex2022/07/04(月) 01:00
Question, why do you put the enemies color to yellow or green or whatever?
Mint Blitz2022/07/04(月) 01:42
I find it easier to see
Cody2022/07/04(月) 12:57
I have not a clue what 343 is thinking. Halo Infinite has the perfect formula. Its gameplay is my favorite since halo 3. There's no maps, no co-op campaign, not enough substance for content, no modes, no playlists, everything feels extended barebones
CHIEFISREAL2022/07/04(月) 12:55
On todays episode of 343 screws up halo infinite...
Sorcam2022/07/04(月) 12:53
Fellow Australian here, this sucks because big team was the one gamemode I really enjoyed. I already have had a worse connection this season for some reason compared to last so its already difficult to play and enjoy. Potentially not being able to find matches now sucks, I hope they go back and do the reverse and reduce the skill based matchmaking across all social playlists, because why even have a ranked playlist if you are doing the same thing in all of them.
Mint Blitz2022/07/04(月) 01:14
That’s very weird because so do I. My ping seems to change much more than before.
Sorcam2022/07/04(月) 01:49
@Mint Blitz Interesting, I wasn't sure if it was just on my end or if more people had the same problem. Season 1 I generally had ping between 50-100 unless my internet was playing up more than usual, but ever since season 2 released I am lucky to get ping below 200. My ability to land shots has noticeably suffered since then as well. I had one particularly bad match of last spartan standing where I got a screenshot of my ping hitting 7324.
StandOUT2022/07/04(月) 12:42
The problem isn’t skill based match making as a whole necessarily it’s the lack of population the less players are the more the game is forced to put other players together so 343 doesn’t necessarily need to fix their match not gonna bring players back that’s not gonna fix their skill base match making what they need to do is work on bringing their player base back and that will return to bring a gradual increase to the diversity of skill levels that naturally occur within the game
StandOUT2022/07/04(月) 12:41
If the system is putting the worst players on your team then it’s doing it for everybody and that means it’s fair how can I give all eight people in the lobby individually the worst players in the game it’s impossible what you’re saying is counterintuitive and quite frankly doesn’t make any sense
RPG Crash2022/07/04(月) 12:39
I cant find big team games at all anymore. Its strictly an 8 player game, and an increasingly stressful one. Why do i even bother..
Cory Jones2022/07/04(月) 12:32
Freaking hate the matchmaking. I’m Diamond 6, every game is a sweat. Makes me feel like I’m not good at all. 50 in all playlists in H3, except MLG. I got to 43 on that
Sven Mindermann2022/07/04(月) 12:27
Anyone realized that no daily or weekly challenges are occurring for BTB? At least for last two weeks or so and in my case at least. Anyone can confirm this?
It's like 343 is trying to abandon that game mode
It's like 343 is trying to abandon that game mode
Guille N2022/07/04(月) 12:24
This means new players like me can't get better because you will always be against good player while you stick with bad players
AG3NTUNO2022/07/04(月) 12:21
Yea people play on arena 8s instead of ranked ……
SE72022/07/04(月) 12:21
Yeah this game is done for… sad!
Gerrit Garberich2022/07/04(月) 12:16
It’s horrible. I played 5 ranked matches the other day and lost all 5. Then switched to quick play in hopes of winning and it was the same story. When I play with my wife (a silver 2) we win almost every match. So broken and silly.
Name2022/07/04(月) 12:15
Wow that’s why I keep losing ranked
Brandon McCarthy2022/07/04(月) 12:14
She's done dood, fucking bums me out. Can't find matches anymore
Brendan Foster2022/07/04(月) 12:10
BTB is for stupidity and fun, get the gang in vehicles and have a good time. It's not for competitive.
y0s0y2022/07/04(月) 12:08
Bro.. i have uninstalled this garbage... i can't play solo since all i get is garbage team mates... just like you said.. the other team.. GOD Tier.... on objetive matches... everyone goes for kills and not the objective... the other issue: Desync and terrible rewards... bleh.. Skill based matches could work if they do them right.. i dont want to carry a team... it would be nice to get carried by Onyx players from time to time... Have you tried playing this mess on the Cloud... i did and got 1ms!!!!!! ONE MS. PING..... nope.. am done with this game.
